Access blocked
Only two of six entrances to Taman Desa Phase One open, say residents
Faizal Nor Izham
Tuesday, July 19th, 2011 10:19:00
CHECKPOINT: One of the entrances into Taman Desa, manned by guards — Pics: Arif Kartono
TAMAN Desa Phase One residents are facing a problem because only two of the six entrances to their neighbourhood are open.
This follows a split among the residents of Taman Desa, which led to the formation of a separate residents association (RA) for Phase One.
LINA KOH, a 45-year-old accountant, says that previously, all the entrances to Taman Desa were open and security guards patrolled the entire housing area around the clock.
However, problems arose in March when several members of the RA started to question the fees for the security guards and decided to form a separate RA.
The new RA took over control of Taman Desa Phase One, which forms half the neighbourhood, and closed four of the entrances to cut costs.
Now, residents fear for their safety in case of an emergency.
Says KOH: "We are concerned about what would happen, such as in the case of a fire or when there is a need for an ambulance, with only two entrances open.
"Our children are also late for school because some residents have to travel a greater distance around the neighbourhood in order to exit."
KOH says there there are only 11 guards patrolling Phase One -- seven from 6am to 10pm and four from 10pm to 6am.
She says that according to the law, RAs are not allowed to do close the entrances and exits at any housing area.
"What makes the the new RA think they have the right to close four of the entrances?"
She also says the RA gives a one-month discount for residents who pay up their annual fees in one go.
"RA's should not be handling financial matters this way," says KOH.
● CITY HALL Corporate Communications Unit head Anwar Mohammad Zain says the request for neighbourhood guards in Taman Desa was on April 1, 2010.
However, approval for guardhouses was only for three of Taman Desa's access roads -- Jalan Desa Damai, Jalan Desa Ria and Jalan Desa Permai.
Guardhouses for the roads leading into Jalan Desa Aman, Jalan Desa Setia and Jalan Desa Murni have yet to be approved.
In the meantime, Anwar says, conditions set by the approvals do not allow any obstacles to remain on these entrances until guards have been allocated for them.
"As a result, action will be taken against any such obstacles," he says.
Anwar says the Neighbourhood Coordination and Control Committee (JPKK), established on June 14 this year and chaired by the City Hall director-general, is carrying out a screening programme for all areas that are yet to be approved.
"Any remaining structural barriers and booths will not be allowed, he tells Hotline.
When reached for comments, KOH expresses satisfaction with City Hall's response
Only two of six entrances to Taman Desa Phase One open, say residents
Faizal Nor Izham
Tuesday, July 19th, 2011 10:19:00
CHECKPOINT: One of the entrances into Taman Desa, manned by guards — Pics: Arif Kartono
TAMAN Desa Phase One residents are facing a problem because only two of the six entrances to their neighbourhood are open.
This follows a split among the residents of Taman Desa, which led to the formation of a separate residents association (RA) for Phase One.
LINA KOH, a 45-year-old accountant, says that previously, all the entrances to Taman Desa were open and security guards patrolled the entire housing area around the clock.
However, problems arose in March when several members of the RA started to question the fees for the security guards and decided to form a separate RA.
The new RA took over control of Taman Desa Phase One, which forms half the neighbourhood, and closed four of the entrances to cut costs.
Now, residents fear for their safety in case of an emergency.
Says KOH: "We are concerned about what would happen, such as in the case of a fire or when there is a need for an ambulance, with only two entrances open.
"Our children are also late for school because some residents have to travel a greater distance around the neighbourhood in order to exit."
KOH says there there are only 11 guards patrolling Phase One -- seven from 6am to 10pm and four from 10pm to 6am.
She says that according to the law, RAs are not allowed to do close the entrances and exits at any housing area.
"What makes the the new RA think they have the right to close four of the entrances?"
She also says the RA gives a one-month discount for residents who pay up their annual fees in one go.
"RA's should not be handling financial matters this way," says KOH.
● CITY HALL Corporate Communications Unit head Anwar Mohammad Zain says the request for neighbourhood guards in Taman Desa was on April 1, 2010.
However, approval for guardhouses was only for three of Taman Desa's access roads -- Jalan Desa Damai, Jalan Desa Ria and Jalan Desa Permai.
Guardhouses for the roads leading into Jalan Desa Aman, Jalan Desa Setia and Jalan Desa Murni have yet to be approved.
In the meantime, Anwar says, conditions set by the approvals do not allow any obstacles to remain on these entrances until guards have been allocated for them.
"As a result, action will be taken against any such obstacles," he says.
Anwar says the Neighbourhood Coordination and Control Committee (JPKK), established on June 14 this year and chaired by the City Hall director-general, is carrying out a screening programme for all areas that are yet to be approved.
"Any remaining structural barriers and booths will not be allowed, he tells Hotline.
When reached for comments, KOH expresses satisfaction with City Hall's response
Ms Lina Koh, Please get your-->
Ms Lina Koh, Please get your statement correct. This closure of 4 entrances from 10pm to 6.00am is been there for almost 1 year. It was there during the time TDRA (Taman Desa Residents Association) was managing the security scheme itself. How come you been a resident of Phase 1 is not aware of this? It’s really very surprising. The split from TDRA to form TDP1RA have never resulted in the closure as you claim. Please get your facts correct.
Ms Lina Koh, Please get your statement correct. This closure of 4 entrances from 10pm to 6.00am is been there for almost 1 year. It was there during the time TDRA (Taman Desa Residents Association) was managing the security scheme itself. How come you been a resident of Phase 1 is not aware of this? It’s really very surprising. The split from TDRA to form TDP1RA have never resulted in the closure as you claim. Please get your facts correct.
FYI, the reason for split is due to TDRA Committee been very adamant to replace all local guards (Malaysian) with foreign illegal guards. See for yourself who is manning all the guards post in Phase 2 which is managed by TDRA. All are foreign illegal. Also there other reason for the split is due to the decision of TDRA to scrap the security scheme and the reason given was due to shortage of fund. Which is again a lie on their side? Ms. Lina Koh again you got your fact wrong by claiming that the neighbourhood is divide into half by the new RA. Please be informed that TDRA have long ago split Taman Desa into two by naming it Phase 1 and Phase 2. How come you claim the new RA split it. All the four entrance is closed from 10pm to 06.00am and it’s been done purely for the reason of safety and security and not as per your claim for reducing operation cost. Why you never complain to TDRA about this when they were managing it? Why you never go to Malay Mail or other newspaper prior to this? Why now after almost one year suddenly you become a VERY concern residents? Have you EVER made any attempt to talk with the new RA? Please be rational Ms. Lina Koh Regarding your concern about the safety in case of an emergency; please be informed that Police, Bomba Taman Desa are already been informed and they are aware of this closure and we got the Bomba officers to come over to inspect the site and we are doing this taking into consideration all the safety aspect during any emergency. Again why now only you are complaining about this when the road closure already had been there almost a year?
Ms. Lina Koh, I am REALLY very surprise with your statement that “Our Children are also late for school” due to the road closure, we really did not know that people send their children to school before 06.00am. All entrances are opened by 06.00am and I TOTALLY disagree with your misleading statement. As far as I know only children in Johor Bahru who studies across the border in Singapore leaves for school as early as 4.30 to 5.00am but I am surprise that your children leaves before 6.00am for school.
Regarding your claim of laws, please be informed that there is no ANY law or bylaws to govern the “Guarded Neighbourhood Scheme” in this country. There is only merely a guidelines established by Kementerian Perumahan dan Kerajaan Tempatan. All arrangement are on Ad-hoc basics according to individual housing scheme according to localize needs. Guidelines are there merely to give a basic guidance in establishing a guarded neighbourhood scheme. Do you know that Majlis Perbandaran Subang Jaya has got different guidelines that allow permanent closure of roads within a Guarded Negihbourhood Scheme? Ms. Lina Koh, what is your problem if the RA decided to give a discount? Is there anything in the ROS Act mentioning that RA is NOT allowed to give a discount? Again I feel you are just a bull trying to create disharmony within the community and going around spreading malicious statement.
Ms Lina Koh, if you are really a resident of Phase 1, I think it is best you move out of this community and else just shut up and allow the community to take care of its safety and security. It looks like you are having a free ride on others to look after your safety and yet barking.Submitted by Phase 1 Resident on Wednesday, July 20th, 2011.
Submitted by Phase 1 Resident on Wednesday, July 20th, 2011.
Submitted by Phase 1 Resident on Wednesday, July 20th, 2011.
Whoever made this complain-->
Whoever made this complain seems to have a personal motif and agenda to bring down the guarded neighbourhood scheme which has been in place for more than one year. Ms. Lina Koh, why only now you make complains after more than one year? It also means that you have been enjoying the security protection for the last one over year at free of cost. You seem to depending on others to protect you and your family safety and security. People who hade experience been robbed and snatch thief will understand the needs to protect their safety. I think people like you need to experience one of the bad experience others have faced in their life to make you feel the needs for security. I really feel sorry for people like you Submitted by Concern Phase 1 Resident on Tuesday, July 19th, 2011.
Submitted by Concern Phase 1 Resident on Tuesday, July 19th, 2011.
Whoever made this complain seems to have a personal motif and agenda to bring down the guarded neighbourhood scheme which has been in place for more than one year. Ms. Lina Koh, why only now you make complains after more than one year? It also means that you have been enjoying the security protection for the last one over year at free of cost. You seem to depending on others to protect you and your family safety and security. People who hade experience been robbed and snatch thief will understand the needs to protect their safety. I think people like you need to experience one of the bad experience others have faced in their life to make you feel the needs for security. I really feel sorry for people like you Submitted by Concern Phase 1 Resident on Tuesday, July 19th, 2011.
Submitted by Concern Phase 1 Resident on Tuesday, July 19th, 2011.
Those people who are keen to-->
Those people who are keen to engage paid security guards are simply self-centred. The community should organise volunteers like Rukun Tetangga and mingle amongst themselves, know each other and care for each other's well being. This is a more proactive and harmonious way of living and having security in a community. Nobody can live alone in this world not even Robinson Crusoe. Do you think money is good enough to buy security? Those security guards themselves are mostly foreigners or incompetent locals. You pay them money for being incompetent. Have you ever observe how the man the gates? Would they be able to distinguish between an outsider or a visitor? Would they be able to ask the pertinent questions to any starnger trying to enter? Would they be able to use common sense in an emergency? I don't think so. Their IQ are so low, that they won't understand what a procedure is. I have spoken to a few Nepalese and Bangla and they even admitted having affairs with some women in the community! Yes when the husbands are not around! Submitted by Nawawi on Tuesday, July 19th, 2011.
Submitted by Nawawi on Tuesday, July 19th, 2011.
Those people who are keen to engage paid security guards are simply self-centred. The community should organise volunteers like Rukun Tetangga and mingle amongst themselves, know each other and care for each other's well being. This is a more proactive and harmonious way of living and having security in a community. Nobody can live alone in this world not even Robinson Crusoe. Do you think money is good enough to buy security? Those security guards themselves are mostly foreigners or incompetent locals. You pay them money for being incompetent. Have you ever observe how the man the gates? Would they be able to distinguish between an outsider or a visitor? Would they be able to ask the pertinent questions to any starnger trying to enter? Would they be able to use common sense in an emergency? I don't think so. Their IQ are so low, that they won't understand what a procedure is. I have spoken to a few Nepalese and Bangla and they even admitted having affairs with some women in the community! Yes when the husbands are not around! Submitted by Nawawi on Tuesday, July 19th, 2011.
Submitted by Nawawi on Tuesday, July 19th, 2011.
I go to Phase 1 Taman Desa-->
I go to Phase 1 Taman Desa quite often to visit my friend and I am actually impressed with what they have done. They used to encounter many incidence of thefts, break-ins, muggings etc. in broad daylight! Many residents won't even allow their children out on the streets at nite. However all these changed since 1 April 2010 last year. They brought in Malaysian citizens as guards, developed Standard Operating Procedures and even formed a Rukun Tetangga to complement the guard services. The report is not entirely correct. The 4 gates that is purportedly closed are closed ONLY AT Night between 10.00pm and 6.00am. That too it is NOT LOCKED and there are adequate signages to direct traffic. I also understand that they have had ZERO crime since the program started. This was also carried in MM report on page 2, 19 July 2011.
I go to Phase 1 Taman Desa quite often to visit my friend and I am actually impressed with what they have done. They used to encounter many incidence of thefts, break-ins, muggings etc. in broad daylight! Many residents won't even allow their children out on the streets at nite. However all these changed since 1 April 2010 last year. They brought in Malaysian citizens as guards, developed Standard Operating Procedures and even formed a Rukun Tetangga to complement the guard services. The report is not entirely correct. The 4 gates that is purportedly closed are closed ONLY AT Night between 10.00pm and 6.00am. That too it is NOT LOCKED and there are adequate signages to direct traffic. I also understand that they have had ZERO crime since the program started. This was also carried in MM report on page 2, 19 July 2011.
From what I have seen and heard, the majority of the residents there are in full support. As a matter of fact I have overheard several other residents calling for more stringent procedures. Having the benefit of seeing both sides, I cannot help but feel sad to read comments passed by people who may not have first hand information and facts, As a matter of fact, I cannot help but sense complaints are made by people who do not live within the community hence unappreciative of what has been done.Submitted by Objective & Fair on Wednesday, July 20th, 2011.
Submitted by Objective & Fair on Wednesday, July 20th, 2011.
Submitted by Objective & Fair on Wednesday, July 20th, 2011.
Dear En. Nawawi, I wondered-->
Dear En. Nawawi, I wondered if your house have ever been broken into. I speak on behalf of the many residents of Taman Desa, whose house have been broken into, not once, but several times. I do agree with you that "the community should organise volunteer like Rukun Tetangga and mingle amongst themselves, know each other and care for each other's well being." This the residents of Taman Desa Phase 1 HAVE done so, under "Kawasan Rukun Tetangga Taman Desa", Daerah Brickfields. However, we also feel that, despite having more than 25 volunteers in our housing scheme, we are unable to ensure a proper security watch for 24hrs, as we all have to earn a living in the day time. (for your info many break-ins occur during day time or during dinner time, when they observe families going out for dinners); that is why we need to engage Security Service Providers and work closely with the Security Guards.
Dear En. Nawawi, I wondered if your house have ever been broken into. I speak on behalf of the many residents of Taman Desa, whose house have been broken into, not once, but several times. I do agree with you that "the community should organise volunteer like Rukun Tetangga and mingle amongst themselves, know each other and care for each other's well being." This the residents of Taman Desa Phase 1 HAVE done so, under "Kawasan Rukun Tetangga Taman Desa", Daerah Brickfields. However, we also feel that, despite having more than 25 volunteers in our housing scheme, we are unable to ensure a proper security watch for 24hrs, as we all have to earn a living in the day time. (for your info many break-ins occur during day time or during dinner time, when they observe families going out for dinners); that is why we need to engage Security Service Providers and work closely with the Security Guards.
Your point of guards being incompetent is not totally untrue, however, I always feel that they are paid to do a job, but they also need proper training and guidance; hence the Rukun Tetangga. We, at Taman Desa Phase 1 engage local guards only, for the simple reason that we can communicate with them and train them. It has been a challenge to train them to do a proper job, but we had the satisfaction that, although it is not perfect, we are quite pleased with the result thus far. (We had a clean record and had prevented a number of suspicious elements from loitering around our housing scheme) You must have had some bad experience with Security guards, and I too had some, that you choose to stereotype ALL guards to be INCOMPETENT. I agree, good ones are hard to come by, but there are good ones, and they are human beings, just like you and I, trying hard to earn a living to feed their family.
We welcome you to visit our scheme to observe for youself and listen to what we are trying to do, rather than being misinformed by one single complainant, whom have gotten many of the facts wrong. Finally, Quality Assurance is NOT just having procedures, but also providing proper training and ensuring adequate enforcement with quality checks. It is all very hard work, and we the residents at Taman Desa Phase 1, have given in a lot of time and effort to ensure we are living in a secure environment. Thank youSubmitted by Frank Yeh on Wednesday, July 20th, 2011.
Submitted by Frank Yeh on Wednesday, July 20th, 2011.
Hi Nawawi, I think you have-->
Hi Nawawi, I think you have Disgrace all the foreigners in this country. Regarding speaking to some Nepalese and Bangla guards, it must be a joke that the made of you by making such a claim. For your information we are using 100% Malaysian citizen guards. Also all of them are Malay. Please get the facts right before jumping the gun. Submitted by Concern Phase 1 Residents on Tuesday, July 19th, 2011.
Submitted by Concern Phase 1 Residents on Tuesday, July 19th, 2011.
City Hall please go down to-->
City Hall please go down to the site to ensure all are enforced accordingly dont just give lip service> Those who flout the law should always be caned instead of just reprimand them. That way nobody will dare to flout the law! Submitted by GOOD ADVICE on Tuesday, July 19th, 2011.
Submitted by GOOD ADVICE on Tuesday, July 19th, 2011.
Its all easier said than-->
Its all easier said than done. The Government has to first be clear about the law before execution. As it is, there are various standards being applied. Correct me if I am wrong, the Ministry of Housing and Local Government has thus far issued Guidelines ONLY. That's not law. Submitted by Clarity Over Certainty on Wednesday, July 20th, 2011.
Submitted by Clarity Over Certainty on Wednesday, July 20th, 2011.
Submitted by Frank Yeh on Wednesday, July 20th, 2011.
Hi Nawawi, I think you have-->
Hi Nawawi, I think you have Disgrace all the foreigners in this country. Regarding speaking to some Nepalese and Bangla guards, it must be a joke that the made of you by making such a claim. For your information we are using 100% Malaysian citizen guards. Also all of them are Malay. Please get the facts right before jumping the gun. Submitted by Concern Phase 1 Residents on Tuesday, July 19th, 2011.
Submitted by Concern Phase 1 Residents on Tuesday, July 19th, 2011.
City Hall please go down to-->
City Hall please go down to the site to ensure all are enforced accordingly dont just give lip service> Those who flout the law should always be caned instead of just reprimand them. That way nobody will dare to flout the law! Submitted by GOOD ADVICE on Tuesday, July 19th, 2011.
Submitted by GOOD ADVICE on Tuesday, July 19th, 2011.
Its all easier said than-->
Its all easier said than done. The Government has to first be clear about the law before execution. As it is, there are various standards being applied. Correct me if I am wrong, the Ministry of Housing and Local Government has thus far issued Guidelines ONLY. That's not law. Submitted by Clarity Over Certainty on Wednesday, July 20th, 2011.
Submitted by Clarity Over Certainty on Wednesday, July 20th, 2011.
Do anyone know who is this bullshit person by the name Lina Koh? She must be really a big nuts.
ReplyDeleteTaking Rubbish. She does not deserve to be living in Phase 1 Taman Desa. None of you claims is factual. She must been working for someone who is trying to create disharmony within our Phase 1 neighbourhood
I believe there is a conspiracy somewhere along the way. Whoever she is, she is a willing pawn in someone else's game. Chinese saying "running dog". She chooses to go to Malay Mail instead of come up front talking to the Committee. Sad but what to do, there will always be people like her, as it is benefiting at other people's expense but continue to sleep with other conspirators...
ReplyDeleteCorrect, there are "no ANY law or bylaws to govern the “Guarded Neighbourhood Scheme” in this country"
ReplyDeleteHOWEVER, there are many laws that make the actions of the 'guarded neighbourhood schemes' illegal:
Both (1) the Road Transport Act 1987 (section 80) and (2) the Street, Drainage and Building Act 1974 (section 46 (1)) bar you from putting up obstacles to people's paths on public roads.
Many clauses of the Penal Code make it illegal for your guards to stop and check people arbitrarily.
WHO YOU THINK YOU ARE? POLICE? GOD?
John Tan
m/s lina koh,you called yourselves accountant but talk like prawn head, without facts & figures.you sound like sour grape acting for someone like RUNNING-DOG.Afterall are you a subscriber, leaning on someones benefit (security).
ReplyDeleteresident - phase 1
Mr John Tan,
ReplyDeleteYou are absolute correct that there are many laws that makes the purported actions illegal. TDP1RA is here to try keep us safe from crime. How would you like to be mugged or robbed in front of your own home? Or have intruder(s) in your home when your wife and your daughters are at home...
When that happens, whatever is stated in the law is only a piece of paper and given lip service.
Mr. John Tan, I believe you’re enjoying a free ride on others who subscribe to the scheme. You seems to fail to understand that the guidelines allow a localize system according to the individual housing scheme.
ReplyDeleteAs long as you have the majority within the community you can come out with your own SOP which is been agreed by the majorities and implement it accordingly with the approval of local town council authorities, in our case it DBKL. FYI, all necessary application been long ago submitted to DBKL and it's still pending their approval as the Task Force to handle this matters were only establish by DBKL on 14th June 2011.
We are not police or god but sensible human beings who are not selfish. We are concern about the safety and well being of everyone who lives within the guarded neighbourhood which includes you and your family. We never force people to subscribe to the scheme. Indicative statistics for Brickfields Police District shows that the ration of Police Officers to Residents is 1: 1,800. With this type of ratio, there is only so much the Police can do. That is the reason why we engage the police by setting up Community Policing, Rukun Tetangga Voluntary Patrolling Scheme and High Profile Policing Program with Brickfields to improve the level of security within our community.
My two cents words to you Mr. John Tan, please enjoy living here safely with all the effort taken by majority of the concern residents to improve the level of security and safety within the guarded neighbourhood. My humble request to you is please don’t create disharmony within the community by posting this kind of comments.
Regards
Concern Phase 1 Resident
Dear JOHN,
ReplyDeleteIf you are so convinced of your own arguments, please do be the Hero to stop all the guarded schemes in KL & Selangor. If you dare to show face, I salute you for your guts!
However, I concur with Concern Phase 1 Resident advice, please enjoy the safe security and try to help the residents. More positive to being part of the community this way.
Plus, no need to thank the residents here when you are able to sell your Taman Desa home for a cool RM1.0 MIL to give to your children, partly due to the enhanced security services in Phase 1.
Another JOHN
"[W]hatever is stated in the law is only a piece of paper"
ReplyDeleteReally ah Mr. Anonymous? So I can go out and kill people who I think look like robbers? I can physically stop some fler from walking up my road because he looks like from Mamak Gang?
What if I stop you from walking into pasar malam
because I think you are a thief? How would you feel? Law not important anymore huh?
"Community Policing, Rukun Tetangga Voluntary Patrolling Scheme and High Profile Policing Program with Brickfields"
Yes Mr. Phase 1 resident, those are very commendable schemes. I am all FOR the above!
But even if you follow this scheme, you can not simply stop people and obstruct the roads anyhow! The law is the law lah you bunch of vigilantes...
You can do neighbourhood watch, yes. You can report suspicious people to police, yes. You can join hands and sing kumbaya my lord so that it scares away the robbers, yes. But you can not stop people or force people to do certain things.
And Mr. Another JOHN. Money money money all you think about ah? Willing to give up your liberties for money ah? Move to Sinkapoh lor!
John Tan
Helo!,Is john Tan from phase 1,what is he trying to bark like a mad dog.What actually you want to do .Don't let me see your dog face>are you adog or a human,WHY you spoke like a prawn head like a dog sound .
ReplyDeleteHOpe god well bless you .For your sin.
any one know where JOHN TAN from???
John Tan is losing senses. Please find him before he goes around killing people as he claim he is capable doing. If he is sensible person than whatever written by him does not make sense! If he is senile than whatever written by him make senses.
ReplyDeletePLEASE BE INFORMED THAT IN GUARDED NEIGHBOURHOOD WE NEVER STOP ANYONE FROM ENTERING. WE JUST ASK. HOW COME YOU ARE SO DIM-WITTED? WHAT PASAR MALAM HAS TO DO WITH “GUARDED NEOGHBOURHOOD” YOU SHUT UP AND JUST ENJOY RESIDING IN PHASE 1 AT THE MERCY OF OTHERS.
Thank you for all your insults Mr. Anonymous 1 and Mr. Anonymous 2.
ReplyDeleteI wish you had a real argument to present instead of using childish words.
The fact is that what you do is against the law.
No one has the right to ask me what I am doing except for those people who have authority vested in them by the state--i.e. the cops.
I will not shut up. This is about principles. This is my stand. And I am backed by the law.
You are backed merely by a few dozens or hundreds of people. You can not commit a crime just because 100 or 1000 or 10000 people support you.
If you want to change law, you ask your local councillor, your MP, the government.
You do not take law into your own hands like the thugs that you are trying to stop from entering Taman Desa phase 1.
John Tan
John Tan, your argument does not make senses that are reason all this insults on you. FYI this blogspot for sensible people and also for who is part of Phase 1 Residents Association members, subscribers and others who are agreeable to our activities and not for trouble makers who are out there to create havoc and disharmony among the residents. If you are not happy with what we are doing than go and complaint to the authorities and don’t bother to post your comment here.
ReplyDeleteOne thing for sure is that you are just a nut. We have mention many times that we never STOP anybody from entering Phase 1 and you still don’t get the message. You are really senile.
John,
ReplyDeletePlease read your own comments... who is the childish one??!! But then I suppose a childish teenager NEVER admits they are childish!! Seriously!! I DO hope you are a teenager, otherwise I will be ashamed for your parents!
John Smith
Dear John Smith,
ReplyDeleteI totally agreed with you. John Tan please don't bother us anymore. There are many government servents out there who are been paid salary to listen to your problems and complaint. Please forward to them.
John s/o Abraham
Vanette Tan aka John Wayne aka John Tan, please get you butt out of this site. We don’t need your comment here anymore.
ReplyDeleteJohn Cena
Hello (again) Mr. Anonymous. So "... this blogspot for sensible people"?
ReplyDeleteThis is the problem with you people. Anyone who disagrees with your point of view is stupid, or senile, or idiotic.
Look at the facts and the law. You are wrong.
You "never STOP anybody from entering Phase 1"?
Really? Then why you put a barrier down? Why you don't keep the road open? What is the point of your barrier other than to stop people?
John Tan
And to the other Johns: you can not defend your argument with the facts so you tell me to buzz off.
ReplyDeletePathetic.
John Tan
John Tan,
ReplyDeleteYou we really enjoying the limelight aren't you. I really pity your warped sense of righteousness. Please do write more... it really shows your "great intellect".
Tan Wayg Jon
Hey John Tan,
ReplyDeleteTake a break from your ranting and sit back and try to use that thing between your ears.... is it on yet.... ok... now, I'll try to explain this as simple as possible, just for you.
If the TDP1RA or this Blogspot only allows those who support to write their comments, your comments will not appear at all!!! Do you get that? Understand or not??
Oh, also I'm so thankful they did not remove your comments... it's kind of entertaining!
Jane Doe
Jane Doe, Tan Wayg Jon and whoever else who wants to respond to me:
ReplyDeletePlease respond to the facts that I have laid bare.
All you are doing is trying to insult me personally.
Are you responding to the facts? No.
The fact remains that no one has to abide by whatever rules you decide to enforce. Simply because you have absolutely no power to enforce these rules.
Simple as that.
John Tan
Dear John,
ReplyDeleteYour so called facts had been answered, you just chose not to respond to those who have tried to talk sense into you. So everyone now tries to "entertain" themselves because your so called sensible responses are very entertaining indeed. Please answer my retort as well, I am so looking forward to your jokes! Hehe!
"John Lennon"
Dear John,
ReplyDeleteFrom what I see, a few people have answered you on the law; Concern Phase 1 Resident on 21 July 2011 23:37 said :
" Mr. John Tan, I believe you’re enjoying a free ride on others who subscribe to the scheme. You seems to fail to understand that the guidelines allow a localize system according to the individual housing scheme.
As long as you have the majority within the community you can come out with your own SOP which is been agreed by the majorities and implement it accordingly with the approval of local town council authorities, in our case it DBKL. FYI, all necessary application been long ago submitted to DBKL and it's still pending their approval as the Task Force to handle this matters were only establish by DBKL on 14th June 2011.
We are not police or god but sensible human beings who are not selfish. We are concern about the safety and well being of everyone who lives within the guarded neighbourhood which includes you and your family. We never force people to subscribe to the scheme. Indicative statistics for Brickfields Police District shows that the ration of Police Officers to Residents is 1: 1,800. With this type of ratio, there is only so much the Police can do. That is the reason why we engage the police by setting up Community Policing, Rukun Tetangga Voluntary Patrolling Scheme and High Profile Policing Program with Brickfields to improve the level of security within our community."
and your response was:
"Really ah Mr. Anonymous? So I can go out and kill people who I think look like robbers? I can physically stop some fler from walking up my road because he looks like from Mamak Gang?
What if I stop you from walking into pasar malam
because I think you are a thief? How would you feel? Law not important anymore huh?"
Please tell me where you are heading with this kind of argument?
You said you are all for "Community Policing, Rukun Tetangga Voluntary Patrolling Scheme and High Profile Policing Program with Brickfields", so, where were you? Are you volunteering? Or you also expect others to do it FOR YOU?! Please, if you ARE really sensible and DO WANT, security, PLEASE TELL US what is you fantastic proposal, then we won't treat you like a teenager running amok with overdosed hormones!
John Smith
John Tan, it won't take long to remove your comments and also to trace your ID to expose you. The blog administrator is not doing that because they are NOT STOPPING anybody from posting their comments as how they NEVER STOP anybody from entering the "guarded Neighbourhood" but it seems that you been writing things that never bring benefits to anyone in the community including yourself. Please go and complaint to the authorities rather than wasting your energy, time and effort writing in this blog as it will never bring any benefits to whatever your claim to be championing as nobody in this blog is interested to support your cause.
ReplyDeleteRegards
John de Cruz
John de Cruz,
ReplyDeleteWhy bother talking sense to John Tan.... Don't persuade him to stop....let him entertain us
OK will allow John Tan to entertain us with is wonderful writing
ReplyDeleteJohn de Cruz
Dear John,
ReplyDeleteHave a heart. Please consider all the reasonable issues presented so far and the good work the concerned residents have done to-date. As far as I know, majority of the residents here support the scheme and its SOP. No one is above the law but something must be done to improve the safety & security in Taman Desa which have ballooned in its population size and visitors, esp with the new condos and commercial shophouses over the last few years. No thanks to DBKL who gazetted part of Taman Desa into Danau Desa in one stroke of the pen.
Come down to the Padang for a fresh breath of air and mingle with all the residents & visitors. This will clear your mind a bit.
Nobody is challenging you & you are entitled to your opinion, this is sacred but please, please give some credit to the hard-working residents here who just wanted to promote Taman Desa as a safe & comfortable place to live & visit.
Johnny Be Good
DEAR BLOGGERS,
ReplyDeleteLatest update :
I just heard that an active resident (handsome old man) woke up at 4.00am this morning after receiving a call from the Supervisor on Patrol and together chased away 2 suspicious foreigners who from Jalan Desa climbed up the slope into Lingkungan Desa. They practically jumped down the hill and ran into the abandoned squatter area near the riverbank past Jalan Desa, upon seeing the guard. I cannot imagine what they had done if not for the alertness of the security guard.
Our heartfelt thanks to the supervisor again.
Shaolin Disciple, Ooossh!
Dear Shaolin Disciple, Next time please contact John Tan.
ReplyDeleteTo all the other Johns:
ReplyDeleteLike I've always said, you can do your neighbourhood watch rounds, you are more than welcome to set up associations so that everyone can come together and chit chat about their security issues and whatever.
But you cannot put obstacles in the street and you cannot stop people's paths to ask them what they are doing or demand their identity.
There is a line. No matter how big the majority you have: the law is the law. Until you lobby your MP to change the law in Parliament, the law will stand.
John Tan
Dear John,
ReplyDeleteLooks like you are coming round to better senses. As I said earlier, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Lots of clarifications have been made on this issue. Whilst we await the Authorities decision on the guarded scheme, let this matter rest.
Let us input more positive ideas and opinions into this Blog instead, be it security or community related issues. I am eager to hear some new stuff
Johhny Be Good 2
John Tan,
ReplyDeleteYou seems not getting the message. Please go and complaint to the authorities rather telling us what to do and what not to do as we are very clear with our stands on the way the security is been managed. I hope this time around you got the message. Again and again please don't waste your time and effort as no matter how many times you are going to repeat the same things, the answer from everyone is going to the same.
So please come to senses and forward your complaint to DBKL, Police and whoever authorities that is going to listen to your complaint.
John Always
John Tan,
ReplyDeleteHi man you are really macho. Fantastic you can manage attack from every angle. I think TDP1RA Committee need this type of leaders. He is willing to defend his principle until the last breath.
I love you man.
Longing for John Tan
Dear John Tan,
ReplyDeleteA man of principle is always admired, but not get this too deep into your brain. As a Buddhist, we always aim for the middle path. Think deep and ask ourselves, are we doing the right thing ? Personally, I recommend you to join the Residents Committee for a chat & a drink. We always pray for the best of the persons to come out. Perhaps this would be better outcome than the others who just wanted to sabotage Phase 1 for malicious reasons.
Joonie Walker
Dear John Tan,
ReplyDeleteI missed you man.
Longing for John Tan
Dear Johns & Jane,
ReplyDeleteWonder why no residents complain about Phase 2 security gates? or Bukit Desa or the condos which are creating massive jams. Now that is really inconvenient. Back to Phase 2, perhaps John Tan can share his view on the recent 10 robberies there and the state of affairs which are managed by the President there.
Luv you 2 man. Cheers bro.
Bill Chang
Dear Joonie [sic] Walker,
ReplyDeleteAre you saying you should give up your principles for some mish-mash in the middle? I don't think Gautama ever uttered such words.
To Longing for John Tan: I know you love me, I appreciate all the loving I get.
It is sometimes lonely being a man of principle. But that is what I am.
John Tan
Dear John,
ReplyDeleteI think you are one of those not subscribing and feeling the inconvenience of being stopped by the guards who can only identify who stays in Phase 1 by their valid stickers. They are only doing their job in trying to prevent robbers from coming in; and, yes, robbers do come in Big Mercedes, to NOT look like robbers.
So, I can only appeal to you to either subscribe and contribute to the whole community, or just bear with the SLIGHT inconvenience for the good of the community.
NOT JOHN
Ni Men How,
ReplyDeleteFor us ladies, we really very scared of criminals. Everyday, all girls is easy target for stealing bags thief. Security is urgent. I want have guards to protect us. Mister John also can, I see him strong man. all people must look out for criminals. My friends all time watch out.
Tian Tian
Dear NOT JOHN,
ReplyDeleteThis is the root problem. I am free to enter and exit any public area. That is my right.
I do not have to pay you or anyone anything to pass freely because it is a fundamental, inviolable right.
No matter what you think, and whether what you think is right or wrong, my freedom to move in public areas is paramount.
If you think I am a criminal, you can call the police. If you see me committing a crime you can make citizen arrest. But you can not stop me from making my way down the road.
Tian Tian: Honestly, if I see you being robbed, I will try to help you. If I think I can overpower the robbers, I promise to God that I will try. Otherwise I will raise the alarm and also call the police.
John Tan
How many of you supporters of closing roads here also support BERSIH 2.0?
ReplyDeleteMany I suppose. It's quite a popular movement.
I bet you all supported the right to assemble peacefully correct?
Well in the same document where it says we have the right to assemble peacefully, it also says we have the right to move freely.
So how? If it suits you, you want to follow law. But not suiting you, then you don't want to follow law.
John Tan
Mr John Tan,
ReplyDeleteYou feel and believe that your fundamental right to move freely in public areaa have been violated.I trust you are not the only one to feel that.
You hold on to the principle of standing by the "Laws of the Land". I believe we are all generally Law abiding citizens.
However, what TDP1RA has done is not for any individual per se. It is a COMMUNITY program. For the benefit of the COMMUNITY. How long will it take for the Police to respond to a Snatch Theft? How long will it take for a Criminal to make its escape? How long does it take for damage to be caused?
TDP1RA has chosen to be proactive and not reactive. How would YOU like you and/or your family's safety to be threatened? When we call for help...how long will it take before we get the desired response?
The Law is The Law...however it can NEVER be perfect or all inclusive. The Law DOES NOT address Community Building. The Law has to be read in entirety and not singularly.
Lastly, please do not attempt to relate any of these to BERSIH etc. The subject matter here is about Taman Desa Phase 1 Residents' Safety and Security.
Mr John Tan has chosen to express his personal view of his personal rights under the Law over Communal interest. Fine and fair enough. That is his right.
I respect his right but I beg to differ on his stand. I personnaly feel it is selfish, self centered and a very narrow. I choose to see the Community as the bigger picture and priority. I am willing to accept inconvenience for the sake of safety and security. I choose to acknowledge TDP1RA for its efforts and initiatives. It is not perfect but it has DEFINITELY allow us to sleep better at night. I believe those chaps who cycle at night now feel safer when they cycle in Phase 1.
In conclusion, Mr John Tan has made his stand clear. We live in democracy. We have a right to choose. I respect Mr Tan for his choice but I DO NOT AGREE with his point. I CHOOSE the COMMUNITY over self. For that TDP1RA has MY VOTE.
Dear Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with you. Hopefully you have given a good explanation to John Tan. Hopefully this will bring to end the on going exchange comments that at time really does not seems to make any senses and at times sounds very funny.
John Tan, if you think Anonymous explanation still does not satisfy your arguments than there is no one in this world can ever satisfy you.
John s/o Abraham
Dear All,
ReplyDeleteGot this yesterday & wish to share with you guys:
The Dalai Lama was asked what surprised him the most. He said, "Man, because he sacrifices his health in order to make money. Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health. And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then he dies having never really lived."
Kitchen Soup for the Soul for today.
Wish everybody a happy day !
Ah Beng
John Tan,
ReplyDeleteTrying to live according to the Golden Rule(One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself) means trying to empathise with other people, including those who may be very different from us. Empathy is at the root of kindness, compassion, understanding and respect – qualities that we all appreciate being shown, whoever we are, whatever we think and wherever we come from. And although it isn’t possible to know what it really feels like to be a different person or live in different circumstances and have different life experiences, it isn’t difficult for most of us to imagine what would cause us suffering and to try to avoid causing suffering to others.
Regards
Blog Administrator
Dear Blog Admin,
ReplyDeleteWell said & I sense it was with good intentions. Dear John, the residents here are not vigilante and do welcome any visitors to Tamdan Desa Phase 1. We just wish to prevent any unfavourable activities being taken by opportunities by criminals.
From the postings, I can sense that you are a good person with strong principles. But we seek your understanding on our predicaments too.
Do the scheme, kena scolding, dont do the scheme, we all suffer (no doubt about this!).
As we have experienced similar fates at the hands of criminals before, we opted to ensure the safety of the community. Nothing else.
You are most welcome to our meetings & functions, anytime. I think we may be able to use & consider some of your inputs too.
Have a nice day. Cheerio.
Brother Wong
JOHN IS A NUISANCE PERSON,he try to create problem ,he is very pressure and stress,that's why he making noise and switching on his hifi loud when he return home,and always horn the guard when passing through the gate house.
ReplyDeleteHe is lonely,only his wife listen to him ,he has no children.his father passed away.his mother does not stay with him.
God bless JOhn .
:(RAYMOND
Dear Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteThank you for exposing the truth of John Tan. At least we know now that there is someone out there in need of help of the community to overcome his pressure and stress. I am TDP1RA Committee will accept John Tan and guide him to lead a more peaceful life.
I know for the facts that quite a number of TDP1RA committee members are doctors and also include Psychiatrist who could provide some special care for John Tan.
This quote is dedicated to our John Tan:
"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
Romans 14:12-13
May God Bless You John Tan.
Concern Phase 1 Resident
Dear All Taman Desa Residents,
ReplyDeleteJohn Tan may have his problems,we also have our own set of problems too. We try to make the best out of it and treat it as life challenges. This is what you call living. I can see the residents and members here have their own strength & weaknesses respectively. We just need patience, time, trial & error to extract the best from everyone. This we dont need The LAW to guide us, we just need everyone's cooperation, with loads of prayers & divine intervention & Tender Loving Care.
God Bless You All.
My prayers to John Tan.
Brother Wong
It seems like everyone has more or less come to their senses, and I hope John Tan has too. Yes, we are all trying to do what we can; Yes, we all have our "rights", but there is always give and take; and yes, we don't need the Laws to tell us what to do if we have GOD to tell us what is right or wrong. God also tells ut to have GRACE. John, I know you are a good person and it will be good if you were to examine some of the thngs that have been said and reflect on them truthfully and with an open mind. It's NOT all about winning an argument. We are all learning in our life's journey until our last day. Some of the principals we adamantly held on to when we were teenager seems a little ridiculous when we finally experience what we go through in real life.
ReplyDeleteIf you do not hold on to your principles, and instead live a life neither here nor there and never taking a stand, your life is empty.
ReplyDeleteI am not guided by god, I am guided by righteousness.
Must resort to ad hominem and patronising attacks, I knew it. It's sad that few people in this country can hold their water in a debate.
John Tan
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteJOHN IS A NUISANCE PERSON,he try to create problem ,he is very pressure and stress,that's why he making noise and switching on his hifi loud when he return home,and always horn the guard when passing through the gate house.
He is lonely,only his wife listen to him ,he has no children.his father passed away.his mother does not stay with him.
God bless John.
John Tan: IP Address: 120.141.168.31- 13 times visited TDP1RA blog from 27/07/11 o28/07/11
It looks like John Tan is very free or else he is been send by the bad elements within Taman Desa to create havoc.
Thanks for visting our blog so often.
Dear John,
ReplyDeleteSo many people have said it already la. The needles on the grammaphone also putus already. You can hold on to your principles and be firm on it. Nobody asked you to sacrifice or bend your backside. You can be who you are & shout about it from the top of the Taman Desa reservoir, we dont care (except Syabas).
The rest of the residents also have many many good principles and will also stand firm on it. My principle is I have a responsibility to protect my family at all costs and I can only achieve this partly by supporting the security scheme. Your principle is different & clashed with mine. This made us enemy (?) but no need to go to war. However, if you practised your principle of freedom of way or passage indiscriminately and caused a crime in my home, I will definitely curse you down to the 18th level of HELL.
Spread the message of LOVE.
We need it badly.
The Protector
Ps :
Saw Malay Mail today on the man who ran amok in Taman Bayu Perdana, Klang and was slashing away at residents and vehicles ?
Dear John Tan,
ReplyDeleteI missed you man. R U alright?
Longing for John Tan
Dear Longing,
ReplyDeleteNo more worthy adversary for JT to have intellectual debate. Anybody got other ideas how to manage or improve the security scheme and community services? Else, I think we go back to our normal routine peaceful lives in Taman Desa, until then...... Make love, not war!
The Protector